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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby j3anjean » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:17 pm

I'm just trying to understand "why now"? Why not when d- day occurred, that would have made more sense.
Because there will always be challenges. When we fall we have to get back up we can't expect never to fall again. The same way that when you hesitate to forgive you have to keep trying. You don't just give up. Once you do, well, it is over.
I guess I feel that he needs to undersand that I cannot make this marriage work by myself. He has to do his part, work as hard as he is asking me to.
You are right. YOu need to communicate this over and over. I think that from what you have told me you hold things in. You keep his secrets. You hold in your anger and let time pass. You put on a happy face and take care of the kids, the friends, everyone. You never let it show. You need to communicate that you are not invincible. You need to communicate that he needs to be strong. If you have told him, tell him again. Your actions are different than your feelings and your feelings don't match up to your words. You act distant but strong and fine. You feel crushed and broken and hurt. You say little. He may be confused as to what to do now. The most important thing I ever learned about my husband and the thing that helps us immensly is that no matter how long he has known me. No matter what he should know, he cannor read my mind. Never has, never will.
He still does the dishes, clothes and such but not sitting me down and looking me in the eyes and offering any reassurances of any kind.
Every show I see about husbands and wives tells the husband to take some of the household burdens off of the wife to lighten her load and soften her heart. It sounds like he is trying. Maybe not the way you wanted but still trying. If I wanted a dress for my birthday and my husband instead gave me flowers I have the option of receiving his love and gift as it was offered or reminding him that he should have just listened to what I wanted and hurting his feelings. Then we both lose. You may need to ask yourself why his efforts doesn't count for much. Especially when you are saying that all of your trying and effort has gone unrewarded and been thrown away. Aren't you doing that to his efforts now? YOu may have to ask yourself how you would feel if your efforts were put aside as not good enough. If romance is what you want then that is what you should be asking for.

Sam, men are detail oriented and business minded. That sort of letter sounds ideal. It is giving him steps to make things right and I am sure that he would not only appreciate that but respond quickly. It seems he is trying to find the door into your heart.
In all honesty, I did tell him that I never wanted to celebrate that date ever again for fear that he would do the same again.
Sounds like your clear instructions led him to respond as you said you wanted. If you have changed your mind you need to let him know. Otherwise it is sort of childish.
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby charity1 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:25 am

RJ,
Charity - I guess I just feel that he should make the effort. He knows me. It's always worked before when he has disappointed me many other times.
At this point, you might have to ask yourself, does he really know you? You haven't really known him like you thought you did, right? We think we know our spouse, but like Jeannie pointed out:
The most important thing I ever learned about my husband and the thing that helps us immensly is that no matter how long he has known me. No matter what he should know, he cannot read my mind. Never has, never will.
This is what my husband and I figured out as well. That is a major milestone in a marriage. Not communicating becomes a vicious cycle. I love Sam's plan. That has worked well with my husband and me. I started out writing the points down, but I have come to learn to just say things in that same way. Long drawn out conversations don't work very well. Men need statements to be made simple and to the point - no having to read between the lines. Jeannie made some excellent points in her post. I believe your husband is confused and has no idea what to do next. Most men give up pretty easily when they don't feel that their efforts are hitting the mark. Every time you start to focus on how badly your husband let you down on your anniversary, go back to Romans 7 and 8 and read Paul's words. If Paul struggled, why wouldn't we? We have a human nature that only the Spirit of God can overcome. We as humans sometimes act on the spur of the moment instead of thinking things through. I believe that is what your husband did. He can't undo it, just like he can't undo the rest of his past. All you two can do is pick yourselves up, dust yourselves off and start fresh. You both obviously want to stay together, so it is going to take a lot of praying, studying God's word, communicating and spending quality fun time together. The feelings can come back, but only with God's help. He is the Great Physician. Only he can heal you and your husband. You can't heal yourselves.
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby resecured » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:56 am

Well, we went out to eat at a very nice place last night, just the two of us. It was very pleasant and nice. On our way home is when the things got a bit heated. Truth be told, I couldn't tell you who was the one who brought it up to begin with. He got angry, I got angry. Tempers flared. I told him how his failing made me feel. I told him everything that I said on here. (Thanks, Sam!) He told me that I needed to see the big picture. How he has conquered the mast, porn and etc. That yes, he did not fight hard enough, but that he has learned that there are still gaps. That he was blindsided by what was put in front of him. I told him that I am weary of him taking me down with him still. That he should have fought the fight to the end, especially with me sitting right there and it being our anniversary. We continued back and forth, heatedly. He kept saying that yes, he failed that night, that it made him mad at himself, but that he couldn't do anything about that except pick himself up and keep trying. Needless to say, we didn't get very far. He'd say something then I would come right back at him.

When we arrived home, I instantly got on here and wrote down the list of what Sam had typed that explained my feelings and thoughts to a tee. I handed it to him. It was like a lightbulb had gone off in his head. These words were no different than what I had told him just minutes before. Apparently, seeing them, woke him up. All I needed for him to do was acknowledge what he had done and how it had affected me. It's like his concentration was only on him and not on me in any way. He needed to understand that I was affected by his actions that night. That it wasn't simply a slipup on his part. That is what made me so upset. It's like it wasn't that big of a deal to him considering what he has accomplished in the big picture. I needed him to see that yet again he had dragged me down with him.

This morning he approached me and said things that I truly needed to hear from him. I feel such a release within me. It's like he understands what I have been trying so hard to convey. I am amazed how just seeing it written down seems to have gotten his attention. I just praise God for this awakening within my husband.

He realizes that he needs to see me in his fight. That it is not just him that is being attacked through his failures.

We still have more to discuss and clear up but this has been a wonderful day. I am crying as I sit here typing this to all of you. My burden is lifted. God has once again shown me that this marriage is worth saving and to continue the fight for.

Thank you dear brothers and sisters of mine. I feel a warmth for my husband again. Isn't it funny how truly communicating can clear the air? We are still learning how to do that. I'm still amazed that simply writing down my thoughts created a way to do this. Sam, I praise God for your wisdom. Thank you!

To all of you who took the time and effort to help a frustrated and hurting sister, I can never repay you for your wisdom and prayers. I only know that God can and will.

Once again, Praise God for all of you and Growthtrac!

:D -RJ-
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby j3anjean » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:38 pm

How amazing! Praise the Lord. I am praying for you my friend!
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby SAM » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:18 pm

RJ -
I sat here and cried as I read your post. All the praises go to our God, who is the great physician.
It's the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

I pray that this is a turning point for your marriage. Happy making up! :oops:
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby resecured » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:19 pm

:oops: :D

I even suggested a redo on the anniversary. ( :shock: Went against the grain on this) He jumped on it. Wanted to instantly plan where and when. I asked him why he didn't make a move during this whole time. He told me that he thought that I was done with him. He didn't know how or what to do to make it right. I told him that he had to change his ways with not attempting to ease the pain that he causes. He recognizes his shortcomings on this. I'm through waiting on him to do what I need him to do. I've always felt that if I meant anything to him that he would come through on knowing what I needed. Now I know that I need to express my needs and get over my foolish pride. I experienced what "dying to self" really meant. After he had talked to me this morning and said alot of what I needed to hear, I hugged him. He was so shocked and grabbed me up so tight. He just kept praising God. Me, too.

We leave to go Wed to Ohio to see our son participate in a World Wide Competition for Indoor Perscussion. My mom is going with us too. I am actually looking forward to this now. Was not looking forward to driving 13 hours with him in the vehicle. He even got on the internet and booked an extra night in Nashville on our way home to just increase the trip.

I'm sure there will still be bumps on this road to rocovery. Satan will be sharpening his darts against us once again. Isn't it crazy that even after being with this guy all these years, we still are learning each other, even now?

Charity - Long drawn out conversations are a thing of the past. You're right, they don't work.

So, I will be keeping a pen and paper nearby. :wink:

-RJ-
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby charity1 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:36 pm

RJ,
I am so happy and excited for you. I knew you and your husband would eventually have a breakthrough, I just didn't know how or when. I am so happy your husband was able to say the things to you that you needed to hear. I know how important that is. You are right, the devil won't give up, but you and your husband know what to do now. Keep working together and don't shut down. You can have a better marriage than you ever dreamed! I will keep you in my prayers.

By the way, if you haven't told him this:
We leave to go Wed to Ohio to see our son participate in a World Wide Competition for Indoor Perscussion. My mom is going with us too. I am actually looking forward to this now. Was not looking forward to driving 13 hours with him in the vehicle. He even got on the internet and booked an extra night in Nashville on our way home to just increase the trip.
Do. Let him know you look forward to spending time with him, and be sure to tell him how much what he said this morning meant to you. Brag on him when he gives you what you need. He will become putty in your hands. He wants desperately to please you, I guarantee it.
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby resecured » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:17 am

Charity,

You words of encouragement throughout this whole ordeal have meant the world to me. At first, I was so deep in defeat that I really couldn't (actually, didn't want to) hear any of you. I wanted my husband to be bashed like I felt I had been by him. God didn't allow that.

I see my husband's fight differently now. I've told him that I will try and do my part but that he has to be strong too. He already has been in so many areas. I just was mired down in my own frustrations that I lost sight of the whole picture. What's fantastic is when you see God anew. The feeling of freshness and relief after a raging storm, is indescribable.

Happy Resurrection Morning!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby charity1 » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:58 pm

RJ,
I knew where you were. I have been in that deep pit, and it is no fun down there! It is very lonely. I'm so glad you understand that we all love you and your husband and were only trying to help the two of you. I really am happy for you! We serve an awesome risen Saviour!
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby km » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:00 am

RJ - Sounds like good progress (possibly a breakthrough or sorts?).

I am happy to hear it. May your progress continue, and gain momentum.
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby j3anjean » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:16 am

resecured wrote::oops: :D

I even suggested a redo on the anniversary. ( :shock: Went against the grain on this) He jumped on it. Wanted to instantly plan where and when. I asked him why he didn't make a move during this whole time. He told me that he thought that I was done with him. He didn't know how or what to do to make it right. I told him that he had to change his ways with not attempting to ease the pain that he causes. He recognizes his shortcomings on this. I'm through waiting on him to do what I need him to do. I've always felt that if I meant anything to him that he would come through on knowing what I needed. Now I know that I need to express my needs and get over my foolish pride. I experienced what "dying to self" really meant. After he had talked to me this morning and said alot of what I needed to hear, I hugged him. He was so shocked and grabbed me up so tight. He just kept praising God. Me, too.

We leave to go Wed to Ohio to see our son participate in a World Wide Competition for Indoor Perscussion. My mom is going with us too. I am actually looking forward to this now. Was not looking forward to driving 13 hours with him in the vehicle. He even got on the internet and booked an extra night in Nashville on our way home to just increase the trip.

I'm sure there will still be bumps on this road to rocovery. Satan will be sharpening his darts against us once again. Isn't it crazy that even after being with this guy all these years, we still are learning each other, even now?

Charity - Long drawn out conversations are a thing of the past. You're right, they don't work.

So, I will be keeping a pen and paper nearby. :wink:

-RJ-

RJ, I am just so happy for you and for your husband. Knowing that he was on his way to Las Vegas -well, these leaps and bounds forward in your progress and healing just came at the perfect time. God is good and His timing is perfect. Of course there will be bumps because as you draw closer to God's plan for you and your marriage, Satan certainly feels like pulling every trick in the book to bring you down. Hang in there, kiddo!
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby FaithHopeJoy » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:57 am

Dear RJ

What unfathomable miracles our sweet Lord can deliver - if we only let Him!! It's all part of the Resurrection promise, when you think about it. I am so happy for you and jumped for joy as I read through your recent posts. Did you hear the noise??!!

RJ, I was thinking of you when I read from the Power of a Praying Wife by Stormie Martian recently (......only I couldn't get on the Forum Boards to share it with you at the time because I have been blocked since the beginning of the month. :? )
God is a redeemer and a restorer. We need to allow Him to be both. He CAN redeem the past and restore what is lost. He CAN make up for the bad things that have happened - Psalm 90:15. We must trust HIm to do those things. We can never move out of the present into the future of what God has for us if we cling to and live in the past.

You and your husband are getting ever closer to that wonderful future TOGETHER. Enjoy it, dear sister.

Belated Easter greetings to all.

FHJ

PS. I had to wait until I was back at work today to access and read Jim's instructions on what to do if you're barred from Growthtrac :D When your IP address is barred, you can't even get to the page that tells you how to sort it!! When I get home later, I can put the instructions to the test.
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby SAM » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:19 am

Sorry FHJ -
Several IP addresses were hitting the GT site 100 times per minute and threated to shut down the site
earlier this month.

All of you - thank you for your continued devotion to GT community and so very sorry for the "headache".
This was a major problem with thousands and thousands of hits coming through between 3-9 am.
No known reason for it. Some home IP's caused it and some work IP's caused it.

Blessings,

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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby km » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:38 am

I still have to go through the home PC and get the info to have it 'unbanned'.

I have a good virus scan program running, and it is current and updated regularly with regular scans being done.

I don't quite get why my I/P address would get caught up in such a thing (he was always such a good little I/P address, no back talk, always polite, then he started hanging around with those other I/P addresses, with the rough language and the smoking, and you know the rest, what's a parent to do these days?).
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Re: PLEASE GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINION!

Postby j3anjean » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:42 am

km, you made me giggle! That was funny! I only had trouble logging on one day. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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